People need to see Religion Differently

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:28 am
King Bowser wrote:
Metalcyanide wrote:Religion (in general) is corrupt, is used as an excuse to kill, and uses to oppress people if they are in the minority.


Uh huh...

Following your logic we should also get rid of:
Facebook
Actresses
Live Concerts
Farting
Cheetos
The Matrix Franchise

I could go on and on. Religion is a tool. How people use it is the problem. Some people use it to better themselves, other people try to twist it into reasons to justify abuse and mistreatment of others. Too many people in this modern day and age vilify religion (especially Christianity) simply because "that is the cool thing to do" and "its silly", often blatantly ignoring the positive impact it has had on society over the last 2,000+ years.

Most of the worlds charity stems from Christian organizations, with about 1.7% (ref: 2008) coming from government and atheist organizations. People need to read and educate themselves. Public schools have a significantly higher rate of sexual abuse, but the iconic figurehead for pedophilia isn't a school teacher, its a Catholic Priest.

I agree with one part of the OPs thread, the title. People do need to see religion differently. Too many people see what they want to see, and intentionally overlook the good it does in some people's lives to vilify it. That doesn't mean I champion religious extremists or those who would use their faith as a justification to hurt others. However, its too easy to say "Everyone from Islam is a bad person" and THAT is what starts wars.

Fredo_Corleone wrote:WELL, there have actually been psychological studies that show that believing in a god is beneficial insofar that people act in more morally acceptable ways.


Don't forget the blind studies published in New Scientist Magazine that showed statistically, people without religious beliefs are 70% more likely to steal if they are put into a situation where they do not think they are being observed. 70% is HUGE!!! Hell, 7% would have been huge, but 70! (although TBH I think it was 68.7% or something, I am going from memory here).

They got SLAMMED for publishing that article, but you can't argue with the results.

You want to talk interesting, people who are vegetarian and vegan are the most common thieves you will encounter. When questioned why they stole, reasons varied, but it ultimately came down to the fact that they felt they deserved it more than the person who had it, and considered themselves more ethical individuals. The human mind might be a battlefield, but its a fascinating place.

Whitly wrote: Christianity, if I remember correctly, argues that people are born with sin, and that it needs to be expedited from our souls in order to go to Heaven.


Sin in Christianity and most Judeo-Christian religions is interesting, because our cultural understanding of SIN and what SIN actually is are two very different animals. Sin is not evil per se, so much as it is a deviation from God. Essentially, breaking the laws the I Am set forth for humanity so they can learn to walk and grow spiritually without being mislead and staggering blindly into self-destruction.

See, evil is sinful, and many evil acts are Sins, but "evil" is not really the classic ideology that we use in modern culture. Ultimately, God is a father trying to teach his son (or daughter) the path to adulthood. Humanity (who are spiritual children) essentially do not know that touching the hot plate is a bad idea and will hurt us. So, rather than letting us get severely hurt, God simply said "Don't do this stupid shit and fuck up your lived."

We can take it a step deeper too if we like, God is essentially a being of energy, pure, and forever. As such, he is unbound by the laws of entropy, unlike the rest of the universe (which specifically is). As such, we have the potential to grow spiritually and through the Holy Spirit (in Christianity) transcend entropy and become immortal. Ever wondered what all of the hoo-har in the bible about ""For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life" was all about? Well, now you know.

The footnotes of Christianity are as follows:
Do as God says because he can see further, has more experience, and knows better than you.
Follow in the footsteps of Jesus to escape entropy and join the Kingdom of Heaven.
Support and Love your fellow man.
Challenge yourself and others to be better people.

The problem is, the way people interpret (or more often, misinterpret) these teachings. So in closing, essentially, "Sin" is a vice or a crime, it does not mean you should be killed, and no man is without sin. It is part of the human experience. We must learn to outgrow it, and shed sin (like Jesus did) so we can break away from this fallen world and join our Creator in a utopia free of disease, hate, and those who would use their free will to condemn or hurt others (or themselves).


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:50 pm
The Ancient One wrote:In due moment, and yes this is a formal form of talk, people need to one day see religion differently, whatever you believe me right away or later on matters not, but the one thing that dose matter so is this...

Why people need to see religion differently is simple, the bulk of today's religions need to point out to one thing and one thing only.

Why I say this? Think about it, Zeus (Greek Mythology, Wakan Tanka (Lakota Mythology) Odin (Norse Mythology), Jupiter (Rome Mythology) God, Buddha, Amaterasu (Japanese Mythology), they all point out to the exact same thing, if you believe me right away or later on matters not, but what matters so is that they point out to the exact same thing.

This message will spread far and wide and even before this post, this I know.

Human nature exists and as a result many different myths contain overlapping themes.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:23 pm
Beelzebub wrote:Human nature exists and as a result many different myths contain overlapping themes.

News at 11.

Overlap =/= similarity.

Also, calling religions "myths" discredits what they stand for and misses the entire point of their existence...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:10 pm
Whitly wrote:
Beelzebub wrote:Human nature exists and as a result many different myths contain overlapping themes.

News at 11.

Overlap =/= similarity.

Also, calling religions "myths" discredits what they stand for and misses the entire point of their existence...


No, they mean the same thing. One of the definitions of overlap is to have something in common with something else.

Again, no. Perhaps the values and morals contained within the stories are valuable, but all the supernatural claims made can definitely be accurately labeled as myths.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:24 pm
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Whitly wrote:
Beelzebub wrote:Human nature exists and as a result many different myths contain overlapping themes.

News at 11.

Overlap =/= similarity.

Also, calling religions "myths" discredits what they stand for and misses the entire point of their existence...


No, they mean the same thing. One of the definitions of overlap is to have something in common with something else.

Yes, because Islam, Christianity and Judaism both have laws on the red cow, celebrate their ceremonial break day at the same time and have the same views on human nature. There's definitely overlap in a few areas, but if you actually read the texts you'd know that they're not the same. And that's completely fine too, as no two people think the same way anyway, so why should they hold the exact same beliefs?
Beelzebub wrote:Again, no. Perhaps the values and morals contained within the stories are valuable, but all the supernatural claims made can definitely be accurately labeled as myths.

These "supernatural claims" are part of the values and morals. You're not supposed to take everything in Judaism, for example, as literal, and that includes how God behaves in the physical realm. Doing so completely ignores and undermines the meaning of the text itself...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:41 pm
Whitly wrote:Yes, because Islam, Christianity and Judaism both have laws on the red cow, celebrate their ceremonial break day at the same time and have the same views on human nature. There's definitely overlap in a few areas, but if you actually read the texts you'd know that they're not the same. And that's completely fine too, as no two people think the same way anyway, so why should they hold the exact same beliefs?


Feel free to show me the part of my post in which I claim that all these beliefs are exactly the same, or even mostly te same. Go on, I'll wait.


These "supernatural claims" are part of the values and morals. You're not supposed to take everything in Judaism, for example, as literal, and that includes how God behaves in the physical realm. Doing so completely ignores and undermines the meaning of the text itself...

So? If someone writes a fantasy novel with wizards and dragons that contains powerful moral messages and captivating characters, the value of that isn't lessened because the story in question is fictitious.

Oh, and I never claimed that every statement made in a religious text should necessarily be taken literally. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop putting words in my mouth, thanks.
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