DEATH BATTLE Discussion: Natsu vs Ace

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:45 pm
Hey guys, guess what Aokiji can do without using a full blown attack but rather just touching something:
https://youtu.be/CfCeq6gv0B0?t=224
http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/aokiji-v-s-the-ocean.16220/
Guess who matched a full blow attack:
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Also (just because I apparently didn't outline it well enough the first time) you know what else he didn't need to lift a finger to do?
https://youtu.be/VMxLFLAk5BA?t=95
And as established, Doflamingo is comparable to G4 luffy who is immensely superior to G2 Luffy, who tanked this while somewhat injured:
http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/one-piece-calc-25-ferocious-tiger.26604/
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:06 am
Geomancer wrote:
metabro wrote:There once was a boy named Natsu
Whose brain was as large as a cashew
His fans started to grin
They thought he had the win


He's just gonna come back with a bullshit power up.


This DB will be over long before it matters though

So it just tells me they think any future powerup wouldn't matter

either

A: They don't think Natsu can get anything to kill Ace

B. They think Natsu already beats Ace regardless

or

C. they just want to see their comments burn with people crying that they didn't wait for the powerup to do the DB
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:32 am
thomasj3-shura wrote:Hey guys, guess what Aokiji can do without using a full blown attack but rather just touching something:
https://youtu.be/CfCeq6gv0B0?t=224
http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/aokiji-v-s-the-ocean.16220/
Guess who matched a full blow attack:
Spoiler

Also (just because I apparently didn't outline it well enough the first time) you know what else he didn't need to lift a finger to do?
https://youtu.be/VMxLFLAk5BA?t=95
And as established, Doflamingo is comparable to G4 luffy who is immensely superior to G2 Luffy, who tanked this while somewhat injured:
http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/one-piece-calc-25-ferocious-tiger.26604/



Okay, regarding the Fujitora feat, that concerns Luffy's durability regarding blunt force as Doflamingo's attacks just in the fight prior were actually hurting Luffy a fair bit (And if Fujtora is anywhere near Aokiji's level, Fujitora is stronger). Remember that Luffy is more resistant to blunt force damage due to the power of his Gomu Gomu no Mi. Luffy has SIGNIFICANTLY more durability when dealing with blunt force attacks.

Also, all you've proven is that Ace can do that with his Mera Mera no Mi powers... and yet again, we've already discussed how useful those are going to be in this fight: absolutely useless.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:43 am
Neosonic97 wrote:
thomasj3-shura wrote:Hey guys, guess what Aokiji can do without using a full blown attack but rather just touching something:
https://youtu.be/CfCeq6gv0B0?t=224
http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/aokiji-v-s-the-ocean.16220/
Guess who matched a full blow attack:
Spoiler

Also (just because I apparently didn't outline it well enough the first time) you know what else he didn't need to lift a finger to do?
https://youtu.be/VMxLFLAk5BA?t=95
And as established, Doflamingo is comparable to G4 luffy who is immensely superior to G2 Luffy, who tanked this while somewhat injured:
http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/one-piece-calc-25-ferocious-tiger.26604/



Okay, regarding the Fujitora feat, that concerns Luffy's durability regarding blunt force as Doflamingo's attacks just in the fight prior were actually hurting Luffy a fair bit. Remember that Luffy is more resistant to blunt force damage due to the power of his Gomu Gomu no Mi. Luffy has SIGNIFICANTLY more durability when dealing with blunt force attacks.

Also, all you've proven is that Ace can do that with his Mera Mera no Mi powers... and yet again, we've already discussed how useful those are going to be in this fight: absolutely useless.

Firstly, has Natsu ever survived fire of equal or greater energy than what Ace scales to?
No, therefore to assume he can is a blatant no limits fallacy. Addtionally, has I already established, Ace's Durability is comparable to his literal firepower even with his Logia powers taken away. So yes, feat is very much relevant.
Secondly, so you're telling me that if Gear fourth luffy was to king kong gun a Gear second luffy he'd be completely unnaffected?
Because that's what that implies.
Not to mention Fujitora did that while lifting a whole bunch of rubble and exerting no effort what so ever and yet when he used that same attack against someone much more inexperienced with Ace's Devil Fruit:
https://youtu.be/WtYjlH232PE?t=156
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:46 am
So one interesting thing we sorta glossed over with the Atlas Flame deal... Natsu was on top of him for a while before Atlas Flame switched sides. When Makarov hit him, this happened:

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It didn't do a thing to Natsu when he went on top of it, didn't even singe him.
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Lavaros wrote:So one interesting thing we sorta glossed over with the Atlas Flame deal... Natsu was on top of him for a while before Atlas Flame switched sides. When Makarov hit him, this happened:

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It didn't do a thing to Natsu when he went on top of it, didn't even singe him.

Not particularly impressive all things considered, just establishes that Natsu is superior to Makarov in that regard.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:37 am
It's relevant because it means he doesn't just need to eat Aces attacks to resist them, if not no sell them completely.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:41 am
Lavaros wrote:It's relevant because it means he doesn't just need to eat Aces attacks to resist them, if not no sell them completely.

See above.
No limits fallacy, an especially egreagious one seeing as I'm pretty sure he's only extremely resistant to fire rather than outright immune.
In your example a weaker character is harmed by something, Natsu is unnafected by it. That means he's more resistant to that than that character, but that's all there is too it. Heck, a character that's just plain more durable could replicate this feat without the need for any specific fire resistance.
Also, that reminds me, Ace can manipulate fire as well, why have we been assuming that Natsu's manipulation would be superior enough to even grab and eat Ace's fire. That sounds like Gaara vs Toph logic.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:01 am
Except that Natsu's is inherently Magic related and Ace's isn't. And the only time fire ever worked on Natsu was when it was a flame he couldn't eat. Like with the God-Slayer flame. But then he learned how to eat it and it was no longer an issue. Natsu is pretty much immune to fire, but that doesn't include the concussive or kinetic force behind an attack. Just that the heat and flames themselves won't have any effect on him.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:51 pm
Its has been stablished Ace's Entei attack potency? Even considering the fact that Natsu wont have many problem tanking it, thanks his Fire resitance.
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