DEATH BATTLE Discussion: Natsu vs Ace

It's time for POSTING OPINIONS!

Moderator: Imperator100

User avatar
Press X to Hug Family
Press X to Hug Family
Posts: 3859
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:36 am
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:19 pm
It's a good question. Personally, I think Natsu being able to grab Atlas Flame is an extension of his fire manipulation. It is kinda similar to how he can grab fire and eat it like cotton candy. What dies it mean to Ace? I don't think it would matter that much. If Natsu punches Ace in the stomach and that part of his body turns to fire, it'll still just be fire he's punching, not his actual body. Like you said, Atlas Flame wasn't actually harmed by Natsu, just annoyed and he was trying to get Natsu off him

So at best Natsu's fist won't go through Ace, but it's still not going to hurt him. One thing to also consider is that compared to Atlas Flame, Ace can shape his flame body around more
Image

"If you could go on a vacation, where would you like to go?"
User avatar
Head for the Garden of Madness!
Head for the Garden of Madness!
Posts: 463
Joined: Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:19 pm
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:41 pm
metabro wrote:It's a good question. Personally, I think Natsu being able to grab Atlas Flame is an extension of his fire manipulation. It is kinda similar to how he can grab fire and eat it like cotton candy. What dies it mean to Ace? I don't think it would matter that much. If Natsu punches Ace in the stomach and that part of his body turns to fire, it'll still just be fire he's punching, not his actual body. Like you said, Atlas Flame wasn't actually harmed by Natsu, just annoyed and he was trying to get Natsu off him

So at best Natsu's fist won't go through Ace, but it's still not going to hurt him. One thing to also consider is that compared to Atlas Flame, Ace can shape his flame body around more

Actually, I didn't say that. I said Natsu never outright tried attacking Atlas Flame, just eating him. That's the main reason I find this troubling, because without that we don't have a clear cut answer for if Natsu could hurt Ace in his fire body. All I really think what I said proves is that it Natsu ate Ace, it wouldn't hurt him, not that if he attacked it'd do nothing.

Though to be fair, Atlas Flame is a pretty big dragon. Natsu eating small bits of its back at a time may not have quite the same effect if he took off Ace's arm in one go. But I don't think it's really meant to hurt in the first place, since he's essentially just sucking up all the flames rather than biting down on them.
User avatar
An Empty Quote
An Empty Quote
Posts: 783
Joined: Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:08 am
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:31 am
Since a lot of calculations have already been done I've decided to be a lazy ass efficient and use suitable already available information as a basis and correcting where necessary, so in light of this,
a bunch of meteor stuff:

Erza smashes stuff: Base here: http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_bl ... skin=oasis
Energy:
Spoiler
Now, assumed timeframes for Kinetic energy are a big no-no, but using a calculated re-entry speed for the meteor is fine and dandy:
The meteor's mass is: 21 584 324.7 kgs
Or 21 thousand tons, now according to this link: http://www.amsmeteors.org/fireballs/faqf/
" a meteoroid of 1000 tons (9 x 10^5 kg) would retain about 70% of its cosmic velocity"
What is that cosmic velocity?
well, FT's Earth according to the calculation above, has a diameter of: 44907.6571 km which gives it a re-entry speed of: http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... lator.html
21km/s
Now, for the low end, we'll use the 70% figure and for the high end, we'll assume it's coming in at maximum re-entry speeds.
Low end: (21 584 324.7/2)*(70%*21 000)^2 =2332078362211500 Joules or 557.38 Kilotons
High end: (21 584 324.7/2)*(21 000)^2=4759343596350000 or 1.1 Megatons

Speed:
Spoiler
Now, http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/518/15
Putting in all the text in here:http://www.edgestudio.com/production/words-to-time-calculator
Now, at the low end this results in a timeframe of 2 minutes and 41 seconds and at a high end it results in 40 seconds,
with a mid end of about a minute, the problem being?
This all happens when the meteor is already in the bloody atmosphere. And needless to say, the atmosphere is kinda massively smaller than the total distance. Also, in context, nobody's in a rush here, Erza is already immobilized.
Meaning even with the high end timeframe, shit is mad slow, so for a very generous approximation?
I'd say 10 minute high end and a 30 minute low end sounds fine
Making the new speed totals:
Low end: Mach 161 to 232.3
High end: Mach 483 to 697


Fujitora enjoys some Ramen:
Spoiler
http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/one-piece-feat-17-law-re-directs-meteor.20877/
this uses 70%, but
http://www.amsmeteors.org/fireballs/faqf/
"bodies of over 100,000 tons or so will cut through the atmosphere as if it were not even there."
Which applies to this one, meaning
The law feat is actually:
1995348971992482600 Joules or 477 Megatons. Aokiji is generally shown as >= Fujitora and this is maximum levels of casual


Fujitora meteor speeds:
Spoiler
http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/fujitoras-meteor-velocity-one-piece.22542/
this is still valid for the manga, but DB composites mean we can use the animu version, measurements are the same doe:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_t0dvjpgq8
Beam leaves the screen 3 seconds in, Law cuts the meteor 53 seconds in.
39738000/50=794 760m/s
Or Mach 2 335.5
Both doflamingo and Fujitora actively outspeed it. Scales to Ace for obvious reasons.
There's another one at 5:34 that lands at 5:44
But Law only vaguely reacts to it, would be Mach 11 677.5


And finally, I'm just gonna point out a feat:
Spoiler
http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/one-piece-calc-25-ferocious-tiger.26604/
Luffy tanks this while in G2 and still injured from a previous fight and Fujitora does this casually while lifting tons of rubble.
Needless to say this scales to Ace.


Final Tally:
Erza's meteor smash: 557 Kilotons- 1.1 megatons
Erza meteor smash speed: Mach 161-697
Fujitora while eating Ramen: 447 Megatons
Fujitora animu meteor speed: Mach 2 335.5 (reacted to by Doflamingo)
Injured Gear 2 Luffy's minimum Durability: 1.49070 Gigatons of TNT
Image

Spoiler
Image
Image
Image
Image
User avatar
Final Jaws
Final Jaws
Posts: 608
Joined: Thu May 19, 2016 4:15 pm
Location: Trying to bring hope and hype to all.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:21 am
DarthGeist wrote:Or if it's ruled that the augmentation properties of Natsu's magic and/or Dragon Force are considered similar to or superior to armament Haki, then Ace's logias becomes a moot issue.

Thankfully, it won't. As we already discussed with Zoro VS Erza.
Image

ultraguy wrote:Welp by forum rules I now decree medd the supreme king and overlord of forum debates. Bow down and worship his mighty logic.
User avatar
Head for the Garden of Madness!
Head for the Garden of Madness!
Posts: 463
Joined: Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:19 pm
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:06 pm
Natsu preview is out for sponsors.

http://screwattack.roosterteeth.com/episode/death-battle-previews-season-2-natsu-dragneel-blazes-into-death-b-a-t-t-l-e

Tfw they didn't title it "Natsu Dragneel Gets Fired Up for a Death Battle". Such a missed opportunity.
User avatar
The Other Ripley
The Other Ripley
Posts: 9125
Joined: Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:03 pm
Location: Twin Seed City
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:15 pm
These "_____ into Death Battle" things just make less and less sense as we go further. It's like those fanmade Smash trailer-esque things where they just say "Person verbs in!" because Little Mac's was like that, as the pun made in "Punches in!" sails miles above these people's heads.

Sometimes it's not even a verb, but that's a ramble for another topic, or at least would be if anybody cared, which they don't.
Unlike you people, I get my news from a reliable source. Image

An Empty Quote
An Empty Quote
Posts: 925
Joined: Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:20 am
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:46 pm
Iron Joe wrote:These "_____ into Death Battle" things just make less and less sense as we go further. It's like those fanmade Smash trailer-esque things where they just say "Person verbs in!" because Little Mac's was like that, as the pun made in "Punches in!" sails miles above these people's heads.

Sometimes it's not even a verb, but that's a ramble for another topic, or at least would be if anybody cared, which they don't.


Maybe they should ask fans to make some of those puns. In fact, I think "Amy Rose stalks" was the idea of an user who was watching a stream of Ben and Marissa playing Pokémon.
Spoiler
Image
User avatar
Party Demon
Party Demon
Posts: 1606
Joined: Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:18 pm
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:47 pm
Can't believe we went this far without posting soundtracks.






Fairy Tail somehow made bagpipes sound awesome, so there's that.

Image

MY POYO WILL POYO THE POYO!!!
User avatar
You Killed My Father. Prepare to Die
You Killed My Father. Prepare to Die
Posts: 2133
Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:01 am
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:45 pm
It was actually a decent preview for a change. Hope this means something good for Ace as well.
Image
After reading YouTube comments.
Unofficial Official Death Battle Discord https://discord.gg/TYYSYeE
User avatar
Final Jaws
Final Jaws
Posts: 608
Joined: Thu May 19, 2016 4:15 pm
Location: Trying to bring hope and hype to all.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:45 pm




Yeah, Fairy Tail music is way better than it has any right to be. Not that One Piece is any slouch.





Image

ultraguy wrote:Welp by forum rules I now decree medd the supreme king and overlord of forum debates. Bow down and worship his mighty logic.
PreviousNext

Return to DEATH BATTLE!

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Google [Bot], Oshawott777, thomasj3-shura, VampyreNVRmore and 7 guests