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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:16 pm
Got more calcs on the way. This time it's a calc EXPLICITLY for Super Forms, since it's Super Sonic who performs the feat. The source: The Archie Comics. More specifically, the ever-so-controversial Enerknuckles fight. Namely, this page right here:
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In this scan, Enerjak sends Super Sonic away because he can't break Super Sonic's durability. And he sends him to the core of the planet (Sonic lampshades that that isn't a very good idea against a burrowing species like a hedgehog), and Sonic comes back to continue attacking Enerjak in, at the most, two seconds. Assuming that the planet is the same size as Earth (Which is reasonable), Super Sonic travels 6,310 km, or 6,310,000 m, in at the most two seconds. This means that Super Sonic was moving, at bare minimum, 3,155,000 m/s. Or about 1% of the speed of light. So we have solid evidence for AT LEAST Sub-relativistic Super Forms. It's highly likely that Super Sonic can go even faster than this, since this was his speed while burrowing straight through solid rock. And of course we can tell that Super Sonic didn't just teleport as he's seen using his Spin Attack on Enerjak after bursting out of the ground.
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The games alone have him catching up to a relativistic Eggman or something like that in Super form. Not exactly a new concept but, a good calc regardless that doesn't rely on scaling or outside sources.
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Foxthefox1000 wrote:The games alone have him catching up to a relativistic Eggman or something like that in Super form. Not exactly a new concept but, a good calc regardless that doesn't rely on scaling or outside sources.


Thanks. Have another calc, this time for Base Form Sonic. (Although you'll probably consider THIS one an outlier, since the result actually comes out as HIGHER than the Enerjak Calc for Super Sonic, and pretty much anything otherwise shown [But hey, calcs even more shoddily made than that have been accepted here, and Sonic's speed feats are wildly inconsistent across media anyway, and go all over the place from merely supersonic to FTL]) Namely, Archie's Sonic The Hedgehog Issue 11, where Sonic runs into Anti-Sonic (AKA Scourge) for the first time. In said situation, Sonic and Scourge run around the entire diameter of the planet (In Anti-Sonic's universe) about five times in a few seconds, all while Scourge is taunting Sonic:
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Once again, assuming the planet is earth-sized (Which is reasonable), we have to find a reasonable timeframe. As a highball for the time taken, I'd say, AT the very most, about 5 seconds, since it happens all in one panel. So this means that Sonic travelled a distance of 63,710 km (63,710,000m) in about 5 seconds. This comes out to about 21% of the speed of light, or relativistic. I'll see if I can find more scans of this speed. As it stands right now there are two: Although one is greatly more skewed than the other. One is the scan I just posted, and the other is being fast enough that Mega Man can't target him in Worlds Collide (Can't stress enough that said Crossover is canon to both comics), although that MAY just be an Anti-feat for Mega Man instead of a feat for Sonic. Namely here:
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:10 pm
Foxthefox1000 wrote:The games alone have him catching up to a relativistic Eggman or something like that in Super form. Not exactly a new concept but, a good calc regardless that doesn't rely on scaling or outside sources.

Was sub-rel actually IIRC.
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I was originally gonna put that to. Dang.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:13 pm
Has anyone tried to calc the gameplay stuff in Rivals of Aether, such as the rock fragmentation thanks to Kragg and Absa's cloud creation? Story mode doesn't give these poor saps SHIT
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:34 pm
EDIT: So, I'm gonna try and post it again with the fixed numbers.

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(Around the 3 minute mark)

So, in this video, we can see that Junior crosses some solar body in under 4 seconds at most. It's probably a planet considering it's the same background as the Comet Observatory and if you observe it there's a slight blue outline that makes a big circle.

Now, if it were the Earth, Jr. would have to travel the diameter which is 12741981.12 meters.

 12741981.12 ÷ 4 = 3,185,495.28 m/s which is solidly relativistic. Though I didn't take into account the frames. It should be very high into the massively hypersonic range or sub-rel regardless.

In this next video, we can see he's at some kind of star.

 https://youtu.be/-ukDf62G4UU

(2 minute mark up to 15 seconds in)

Now, depending on the game, you either go to the center of the galaxy or the center of the universe. For low ends we'll use the center of the galaxy version.

There's about 3261.564 lightyears in a kpc and there's about 8 in between the Earth and the center of the galaxy. However, there's a distance of 4.22 lightyears between the Earth and the nearest star to it so we basically substructure that number from the total you get when you multiply the number of lightyears by 8.

Saving you the math, that translates to about 26088.2922 lightyears which also translates to 2.4681430099e+20 meters. Now, we'll assume that the most allotted timeframe is an hour because he's the last boss you fight before the final battle and you only need 14 more power stars after that.

2.4681430099e+20 ÷ 3600 = 6.8559528e+16 m/s

6.8559528e+16 ÷ 299792458 = 228,689,969.421c

 Hell, even assuming a day's time for him to get there, it would STILL be MFTL+

Proof: 2.4681430099e+20 ÷ 86400 (number of seconds in a day) = 2.856647e+15 m/s

 2.856647e+15 ÷ 299792458 = 9,528,748.72589c

Even if I took the white coloring of the other star seriously, the nearest white dwarf wouldn't change the results much. Hell, even using white dwarfs 6000+ parsecs (6+ kpc) away, the lowest end of a day's time would be in the low millions of times faster than light (almost 2 million c). This scales to his reactions because he has mental control over most of his machinery apparently unless we assume he programs airships with AI, though Super Mario Bros. U shows him actively controlling the large hand through moving his hand i.e. that one time he swiped with his whole arm and the hand followed suit by swiping at you as well as him performing little movements so a specific thing would happen (he performed an action before the Megahammer fight in the second galaxy game and the head suddenly popped on and attached itself to the body as well as the fact he doesn't have any controls at all yet somehow the cockpits bolt out of there before things go boom, with the crow's nest popping off being a clear example since the thing that could've been argued to have sentience was busy blowing up).

For high ends, however, the radius of the observable universe is 46.6 billion lightyears. That's about 4.40870040022e+26 meters.

 .01% of 4.40870040022e+26 is 4.4087004e+22
 
4.4087004e+22 ÷ 3600 = 1.224639e+19 m/s

1.224639e+19 ÷ 299792458 = 40,849,559,997.9c

4.4087004e+22 ÷ 86400 = 5.1026625e+17 m/s

That's 1,702,064,999.91c

I don't really need to do the rest because 1 billion c is already the lowest high end there is so everything else is above that.

1% of 4.40870040022e+26 is 4.4087004e+24

4.4087004e+24 ÷ 3600 = 1.224639e+21 m/s

1.224639e+21 ÷ 299792458 = 408,495,600,000c

50% is 2.2043502e+26

2.2043502e+26 ÷ 3600 = 6.123195e+22 m/s

That's 20,424,780,000,000c

The highest high ends are in the trillion c range and I don't need to go higher.


I hope that's better than my last attempt.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:17 pm
Bit calc for Shovel Knight

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A charged swing can turn the stone blocks to dust instantly, so it seems safe to use pulverization.

Pulverization of rock is 214 j/cc

214 j/cc * 3.15E6 cm = 674100000 Joules

This equals .16 tons, which is small building level. A solid bare minimum, since this is a calc that involves absolutely no magic nor any assumption that something is going as fast as it logically should instead of how fast it appears to be going onscreen. Not that feats that involve those aren't valid, but that's two fewer hurdles to convincing people that the guy can't be weaker than this.

Violent fragmentation nets you 217350000, which is .05 tons, or rather low end small building level, but still shits all over the 6700 Joules given by Death Battle.

Best of all, it's an extremely casual feat. Butt Butt can do this all day. 6700 Joules is plainly and simply laughable.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:12 am
I'm trying my darndest to figure out how the hell you're supposed to calculate luminosity for the sake of a Ristar calc that Proto did ages ago but deleted. Can anyone help me out? Basically, Ristar made this flash of light at the center of what resembles a galaxy, especially the real-life Sombrero Galaxy, which is a relatively small one at that.

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Soooo many Wikipedia pages, running into term after term I don't understand.
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